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		<title>Comment on Drugs in football? Pull the other one by paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched a bbc 2 programme about 6 yrs ago . Three-parter it was, about scottish managers(shankly,stein,busby). Testimony (repeated) how shanks had pill placed in front of player n if no consume, no play. Speed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched a bbc 2 programme about 6 yrs ago . Three-parter it was, about scottish managers(shankly,stein,busby). Testimony (repeated) how shanks had pill placed in front of player n if no consume, no play. Speed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Drugs in football? Pull the other one by t85sg</title>
		<link>http://www.irishpeloton.com/2012/02/drugs-in-football-pull-the-other-one/comment-page-1/#comment-14452</link>
		<dc:creator>t85sg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only a few appreciations to the comments in here:

First of all, I agree with the general statement of this blog entry. Sports World, in terms of doping, is not measuring cycling the same way as Football, Tennis, Basketball or other sports. And there are more examples for Doping Practices in Football than the tiny ones supposedly related to Barcelona. Talk about the Great Squad of Fiorentina of the 70ies and the players of the same team who suffered cancers and other illnesses. To put a name on the list: Bruno Beatrice. You will find a lot of links related to that case.

Now to the details: I think the comparison between Müller-Wohlfahrt and Eufemiano is a bit unfortunate. You are comparing a doctor with some reputation in Sports Medicine with a gynaecologist who tried his luck with Sports. If you want to compare, then put Conconi and the University of Ferrara or Heinrich and his Team from University of Freiburg am Breisgau.

The other point I want to remark is that the Journalist confounded the treatment used by Barcelona Doctors with Xavi. It is a fact that Xavi was treated with what in spanish is called &quot;plasma enriquecido&quot; or Plasma Rich in Growth Factors. I found an article in Wiki describing this treatment, so I offer it to the experts to analyze it, because I am definitely not an expert in that materia:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_rico_en_factores_de_crecimiento

And a third point I want to remark: @DeSqueran: Do not try to put some &quot;bias&quot; in this discussion, because no squad in Spain or Top Squad in Europe would finish clean. Real Madrid had also &quot;dubious&quot; doctors in his Portfolio, such as Antonio Escribano and his magic &quot;Papillas&quot;, Marcos Maynar and his &quot;defense&quot; of Athletic Bilbao Player Gurpegi such as his analysis of Real Madrid player&#039;s values. Even Valencia used the services of Walter Virú, ex-Kelme Team Doctor. And I don&#039;t think I have to talk about Sabino Padilla and his job as Athletic Bilbao Team Doctor...Even the Special One, Mr. José Mourinho, worked with Bryan English during his Chelsea years...Furthermore: How can a Team that begun their Pre-Season-Work 3 weeks earlier than the rest of the top teams be physically that strong during such a long time, while other European Teams (the &quot;supposed&quot; doped Barcelona included) are struggling in January/February? Only Water and Bread? Or the &quot;miracles&quot; of The Special One?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only a few appreciations to the comments in here:</p>
<p>First of all, I agree with the general statement of this blog entry. Sports World, in terms of doping, is not measuring cycling the same way as Football, Tennis, Basketball or other sports. And there are more examples for Doping Practices in Football than the tiny ones supposedly related to Barcelona. Talk about the Great Squad of Fiorentina of the 70ies and the players of the same team who suffered cancers and other illnesses. To put a name on the list: Bruno Beatrice. You will find a lot of links related to that case.</p>
<p>Now to the details: I think the comparison between Müller-Wohlfahrt and Eufemiano is a bit unfortunate. You are comparing a doctor with some reputation in Sports Medicine with a gynaecologist who tried his luck with Sports. If you want to compare, then put Conconi and the University of Ferrara or Heinrich and his Team from University of Freiburg am Breisgau.</p>
<p>The other point I want to remark is that the Journalist confounded the treatment used by Barcelona Doctors with Xavi. It is a fact that Xavi was treated with what in spanish is called &#8220;plasma enriquecido&#8221; or Plasma Rich in Growth Factors. I found an article in Wiki describing this treatment, so I offer it to the experts to analyze it, because I am definitely not an expert in that materia:<br />
<a href="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_rico_en_factores_de_crecimiento" rel="nofollow">http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_rico_en_factores_de_crecimiento</a></p>
<p>And a third point I want to remark: @DeSqueran: Do not try to put some &#8220;bias&#8221; in this discussion, because no squad in Spain or Top Squad in Europe would finish clean. Real Madrid had also &#8220;dubious&#8221; doctors in his Portfolio, such as Antonio Escribano and his magic &#8220;Papillas&#8221;, Marcos Maynar and his &#8220;defense&#8221; of Athletic Bilbao Player Gurpegi such as his analysis of Real Madrid player&#8217;s values. Even Valencia used the services of Walter Virú, ex-Kelme Team Doctor. And I don&#8217;t think I have to talk about Sabino Padilla and his job as Athletic Bilbao Team Doctor&#8230;Even the Special One, Mr. José Mourinho, worked with Bryan English during his Chelsea years&#8230;Furthermore: How can a Team that begun their Pre-Season-Work 3 weeks earlier than the rest of the top teams be physically that strong during such a long time, while other European Teams (the &#8220;supposed&#8221; doped Barcelona included) are struggling in January/February? Only Water and Bread? Or the &#8220;miracles&#8221; of The Special One?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Drugs in football? Pull the other one by paul</title>
		<link>http://www.irishpeloton.com/2012/02/drugs-in-football-pull-the-other-one/comment-page-1/#comment-14442</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 20:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He (german dr.) also worked with s.roche,as interviewed in roches&#039; dvd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He (german dr.) also worked with s.roche,as interviewed in roches&#8217; dvd.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Drugs in football? Pull the other one by DeSqueran</title>
		<link>http://www.irishpeloton.com/2012/02/drugs-in-football-pull-the-other-one/comment-page-1/#comment-14422</link>
		<dc:creator>DeSqueran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few Spaniards -especially we evil, perverse, fascist madridistas- have noticed long ago that Barcelona players show terrific pace, strength and endurance. That&#039;s amazing, since they are supposed to be &quot;tiny little passing players&quot;, not robust warriors like, say, Cristiano Ronaldo.

Spanish journalists, always unbiased, first replied: &quot;They do not make such an effort: &lt;em&gt;it&#039;s the ball that runs&lt;/em&gt;&quot;. Later, they were forced to admit: &quot;They do run a lot, but only in &lt;em&gt;short efforts&lt;/em&gt;, because they are always well placed on the field&quot;.

Do not even try to suggest to Spanish journos that certain Barça players could be on drugs: they will be outraged. And not only for &lt;em&gt;their&lt;/em&gt; Barça, but for the Spanish national team too. To doubt Barça players means being accused of anti-patriotism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few Spaniards -especially we evil, perverse, fascist madridistas- have noticed long ago that Barcelona players show terrific pace, strength and endurance. That&#8217;s amazing, since they are supposed to be &#8220;tiny little passing players&#8221;, not robust warriors like, say, Cristiano Ronaldo.</p>
<p>Spanish journalists, always unbiased, first replied: &#8220;They do not make such an effort: <em>it&#8217;s the ball that runs</em>&#8220;. Later, they were forced to admit: &#8220;They do run a lot, but only in <em>short efforts</em>, because they are always well placed on the field&#8221;.</p>
<p>Do not even try to suggest to Spanish journos that certain Barça players could be on drugs: they will be outraged. And not only for <em>their</em> Barça, but for the Spanish national team too. To doubt Barça players means being accused of anti-patriotism.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Drugs in football? Pull the other one by Michael Holland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t care less what other sports do! that&#039;s their business! Cycling&#039;s business is to clean itself up or at least try, blaming others is what a 5 yr old does, it gets us no where. 
Cycling at the end of the day is,and has been dirty since its inception as a competitive sport.  Its so gruelling it automatically lends itself to cheating, I mean 3 weeks, 100miles + per day around France for approx 400K for the winner????? its for the foolhardy in my humble opinion!
I think its time we thought outside the box for solutions rather than play the blame game. 
I may or may not be right but thats my opinion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t care less what other sports do! that&#8217;s their business! Cycling&#8217;s business is to clean itself up or at least try, blaming others is what a 5 yr old does, it gets us no where.<br />
Cycling at the end of the day is,and has been dirty since its inception as a competitive sport.  Its so gruelling it automatically lends itself to cheating, I mean 3 weeks, 100miles + per day around France for approx 400K for the winner????? its for the foolhardy in my humble opinion!<br />
I think its time we thought outside the box for solutions rather than play the blame game.<br />
I may or may not be right but thats my opinion</p>
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		<title>Comment on Drugs in football? Pull the other one by harry adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>harry adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here&#039;s a site always worth reading
www.tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here&#8217;s a site always worth reading<br />
<a href="http://www.tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Drugs in football? Pull the other one by Stephen Salmon</title>
		<link>http://www.irishpeloton.com/2012/02/drugs-in-football-pull-the-other-one/comment-page-1/#comment-14332</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Salmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slightly off the subject, Dan Martin tweeted no dope controls at his last 2 races. Last year Vaughters said he thought the fight against doping in cycling was losing momentum. I hope this is not a sign of things to come. It would be devestating!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly off the subject, Dan Martin tweeted no dope controls at his last 2 races. Last year Vaughters said he thought the fight against doping in cycling was losing momentum. I hope this is not a sign of things to come. It would be devestating!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Drugs in football? Pull the other one by mike scofield</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike scofield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kieran

Everton were &#039;drugged Champions&#039; in the mid 60&#039;s rather than the 50&#039;s. My oldest mate from school, calls them that to this day.  Admittedly he was a Spurs fan then &amp; they were Evertons top rivals at the time, but its been well documented since the 1970&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kieran</p>
<p>Everton were &#8216;drugged Champions&#8217; in the mid 60&#8242;s rather than the 50&#8242;s. My oldest mate from school, calls them that to this day.  Admittedly he was a Spurs fan then &amp; they were Evertons top rivals at the time, but its been well documented since the 1970&#8242;s.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Drugs in football? Pull the other one by Velonavia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Velonavia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the money involved in cycling is just peanuts compared to football there´s a lot of people monetizing from the lack of anti-doping work in the sport...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the money involved in cycling is just peanuts compared to football there´s a lot of people monetizing from the lack of anti-doping work in the sport&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Drugs in football? Pull the other one by Irish Peloton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irish Peloton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michel Platini seems to think there is no problem...

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.farodevigo.es%2Fdeportes%2F2012%2F02%2F16%2Fplatini-dopaje-futbol-espanol-existe%2F624452.html&amp;hl=en&amp;langpair=auto&#124;en&amp;tbb=1&amp;ie=ISO-8859-1

&quot;Barcelona and Real Madrid have won the European Cup and there is no doping&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michel Platini seems to think there is no problem&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.farodevigo.es%2Fdeportes%2F2012%2F02%2F16%2Fplatini-dopaje-futbol-espanol-existe%2F624452.html&#038;hl=en&#038;langpair=auto" rel="nofollow">http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.farodevigo.es%2Fdeportes%2F2012%2F02%2F16%2Fplatini-dopaje-futbol-espanol-existe%2F624452.html&#038;hl=en&#038;langpair=auto</a>|en&#038;tbb=1&#038;ie=ISO-8859-1</p>
<p>&#8220;Barcelona and Real Madrid have won the European Cup and there is no doping&#8221;</p>
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